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Or if you are infected with Covid they are useless, but if someone else is, the rubber ones with the filters are effective. :classic_ohmy:

Original video with a doctor clearly showing its inaffectiveness, has, (no surprize to me, it is factural after all) has been removed.

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And how is mandatory inside, mask wearing in Vic, Au, going?

So far today l saw one overweight middle aged women with a visual disability, (had a dog, with a handle) fall down, with two cops around her, and someone else helping her up, (this was on a 33dg day, which is hot, in a air con, (barely) shopping centre.

And another sitting next to me at a coffee shop, complain about her having to drink more since a mask increases humidity, (and of course the only free, purified water tap in the entire centre has a coffee shop staff only warning, because of Covid) or stupidity, whichever comes first.

We haven't had any cases or deaths for almost the last month, but our leader finds bad advise and we get dragged along.

I won't mention the crap l had to endure to walk into a video game area, for the first time for 6 months, but l won't be going there again.

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I tried to do a search on Google and got the usual one sided, "masks work" results, which is the trap most get into, or they assume Google gives results that are correct, or they are not bias; but l have other sources.

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The New England Journal of Medicine is the world's leading medical journal and website. Founded in 1812, and owned by the Massachusetts Medical Society, NEJM publishes peer-reviewed research and interactive clinical content for physicians, educators and the global medical community.

So going by the actual best medical advise on the planet, and what they say about masks...

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372
 

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We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.

And remember this is the worlds most respected and prestigious medical institution available. So they don't work, and it is more of a case of politicians following bad advise and trying to dig their way out of it, or others that just blindly accept dodgy studies.

Some studies are iffy and others more robust, and the iffy ones tend to end up on sites, that have other iffy data.

When some say "the best advise possible, but refuse to give the source" then they are typically referring to a source which covers other subjects they are invested in, so everything the site has is true.

This is the best advise available, and it clearly says that outside of hospitals and strict protocols, they should be ditched.

Some want to accept that Doctors and Politicians have their best interests at heart, but sometimes they only have their interests of being reelected or sustained employment at heart.

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Doesn't end, or today l saw someone trying to be sick in the men's toilets. I couldn't tell if he had a mask, but since he was Asian, likely he did, (extremely high mask wearers).

He was acting like he had a fur-ball or something lodged in his throat, or most likely one of his or his girlfriends hairs that was in the mask? Not sure if lint can do that?

And someone else, middle aged who used to wear a plastic shield, but since they are banned now, was suffering due to setting up a stand while wearing one.

As l said if our idiot Premier keeps this up, there will be increasing numbers of middle aged, and elderly people fainting, falling over and passing out in our shopping centers, when the hot weather really sets in, (a week of hot days and warm nights).

While we have no cases or deaths from Covid.

And can we rely on our Chief Health Officer, nope, he has been caught out by faking email correspondence for the Hotel Quarantine mess and will feel the buses wheels soon enough.

 

About the only positive in all of this is the fact that the more he continues to rely on low grade data, the more Victorians will remember and vote Liberal/Nat, in two years time.

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"We were told you need 16 layers on your mask for it to offer 95per cent protection," Ms Taylor said.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/farce-mask-its-safe-for-only-20-minutes-20030427-gdgnyo.html

So you need a stopwatch, and a credit card, and replace it all day long, (spend a few hours at a shopping ctr, you would need 15-20 masks) or put 16 of them on your face without passing out.

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I'm a newbie here. Back in March 2020, I was trying to find an over the nose 'respirator mask' for a friend of mine. I have one of those masks. It employs a valve, (all parts replaceable) two HEPA filter cartridges and two circular filter disc cartridges. It is used in various applications. While searching the 3M website, I stumbled upon a scientific study by 3M scientists, written in 2004. The pdf document describes viruses, their typical sizes, and the effectiveness of the various 3M cartridges for filtering out those type particles.

In summary masks filter in various manners, one form 'captures' the particle in the interior fibres of the cartridge, while another, redirects the particle, preventing it from entering air-stream through the filter.

The 3M mask and associated components actually would capture the Corona Virus particle, not because the filter is able to capture the actual virus, but because the virus is suspended in little globuals of body water, which is large enough for the filter fibres to capture.

 

The masks that many people are wearing, are incapable of capturing the virus in its suspension, but may actually prevent, if properly worn and manufactured, from entering the air-stream into the wearers lungs, simply by redirecting the stream.  Others they don't work, because the virus is too small for the spacing between the fibres of the mask.

 

plutronus

ps, Sadly, my wife of 40 years passed away from CoVid last night (2-10-2021, 3:17am) while I was talking with her, just before my administering another dose of hospice care morphine. CoVid paralyzed her throat muscles, so she could not swallow anything. She died of starvation and dehydration in a morphine coma, which I adminstered. I have no idea how we contracted CoVid, wore masks, washed hands, stayed home for a year??

I survived, I'm 15 yrs younger than she is and I had hydrochloroquine pills.

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