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Islam: An Ancient Mystery

This is more about Tom Holland, a modern day Gibbon, who was more interested in the Roman Empire until it ran into this upstart Islam that rose out of the abyss to challenge the greatest empire. Holland dared to wonder about how this could happen. What we have here is the movie, the lecture, and the book. Start with the lecture if you are interested. The book is a difficult read but it does dare to suggest that Islam is the fourth beast of Daniel. 

The Movie
Islam : The Untold Story 

The Lecture 
The Origins of Islam 

The Book
In the Shadow of the Sword

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I have heard and read about Islam being one of the beasts just because of all the stuff that has happened out there for decades and these people having it in for God's chosen people, in reference to the old testament. 

I saw something on Twitter/X the other day, someone was saying Muslims killed Jesus. My understanding is that it was always the Romans that did. Do you know anything about that? 

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10 hours ago, YellowDragon said:

I saw something on Twitter/X the other day, someone was saying Muslims killed Jesus. My understanding is that it was always the Romans that did. Do you know anything about that?

Have not heard that. Muslims did kill the message if not the messenger in that they deny that Jesus is God. 

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The reason his book is not interesting is that he set out to find something that should be there and didn't find it. They of course respond that not finding something is not proof that it doesn't exist. Tom Holland has the gall to say if it was there, I would have found it. So the only remaining question is, is Tom Holland really that good?

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So what did Holland find? He found Sebeos, the first historian to take a look at Islam and maybe the first to suggest that Islam, not Rome, was the fourth beast of Daniel. This leads us to the biggest mystery of all.  What makes a beast a beast? Historians are happy to let the theologians answer that question. Sebeos, a 7th-century Armenian bishop, was willing to give it a try. Thus far no one has suggested that it's the temple that makes a beast a beast. So let's take a look at that. Babylon destroyed the first temple. The second temple was desecrated by Greece and later destroyed by Rome. That gives us three beasts. Islam's Dome of the Rock is preventing the third temple. That's four. 

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On 1/26/2024 at 2:44 AM, chrysostom said:

So the only remaining question is, is Tom Holland really that good?

Not exactly. Perhaps the real question is where did he find the courage "to go where no man has gone before"? To publish not only what he did find but more importantly what he didn't find. The answer may be found in his own words. he was "fed up with universities and fed up with being poor".

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