How can God exist when something has to exist in order to create God...

[tmcom]

Been thinking about this recently with the only valid answer of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy reference.

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Then, one day, a student who had been left to sweep up after a particularly unsuccessful party found himself reasoning in this way: "If such a machine is a virtual impossibility, it must have finite improbability. So all I have to do, in order to make one, is to work out how exactly improbable it is, feed that figure into the finite improbability generator, give it a fresh cup of really hot tea... and turn it on!"

https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Infinite_Improbability_Drive

Or if it is impossible for God to exist then our mindset of "something has to exist in order to create something" is flawed.

Or if absolutely nothing exists and absolutely nothing exists to create something  then the sheer act of it being impossible gives rise to it being possible!

And a hot cup of tea.

[chrysostom]

4 hours ago, tmcom said:

Been thinking

A good start. 

[chrysostom]

4 hours ago, tmcom said:

"something has to exist in order to create something"

If something exists, it was created except for that one thing that started it all. 

[tmcom]

1 hour ago, chrysostom said:

If something exists, it was created except for that one thing that started it all. 

Yes the one thing that created it all is impossible so the "impossible" term has to be fluidity or the word should be reclassified as "very unlikely" or "virtually impossible".

Einstein would flip over this conversation but he at least showed that infinity which is impossible wasn't we just didn't see it as a circle.

Easy to grasp someone walking forever in a circle than walking a straight line forever.

[chrysostom]

1 hour ago, tmcom said:

that infinity which is impossible

Clarity is impossible using ambiguous terms like infinite. 

[That All-seeing Eye]

Yes, how indeed can God exist? One of my missions is to try to understand this idea of an origin. One concept, is that it is the self, that is the true source, and therefore the answer lies within. There is another theory, that the ultimate source, currently, does not want to be found. This definitely is indicated by the complexity of this and other existences, and the way so many God-form/avatars seem not to want to be found, or have responsibility for everything.

When you consider that all we have is our senses, we can start to realise that, given we know people can hallucinate, that this entire world we exist in, could be simply one's own hallucination, and so long as it stays consistent and congruent with our expectations, then we can rely on it, but not prove that it exists outside ourselves.

[chrysostom]

11 hours ago, That All-seeing Eye said:

There is another theory, that the ultimate source, currently, does not want to be found.

You cannot find it if you don't look. History shows that man has been looking for a god as far back as we can see. All we need to do is look and we will find evidence that something had to start it all. Are you familiar with the theory of entropy? It is scientific proof that the world had a beginning and will have an end.  

[chrysostom]

13 hours ago, That All-seeing Eye said:

this entire world we exist in, could be simply one's own hallucination

This is not far off of what the early Hindus referred to as "an illusion of a non dual nature". In other words, matter does not exist as we currently understand it to be. It is just a hologram created for us and not our own hallucination which we generate. It is still a creation which  requires  an uncreated higher power.